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It used the attack against Dragon Ascent, which can causes a status effect, just like how that Vivillon in XY012 used Safeguard against Dolan's Diggersby's Mud Shot, a move which can also cause a status effect. Also, what status move was Deoxys protecting itself from in AG171? And the crack in the protective barrier doesn't mean its protect. A crack can occur in any kind of barrier. So again, how is this definitely Protect? [[User:Playerking95|Playerking95]] ([[User talk:Playerking95|talk]]) 09:46, 29 October 2016 (UTC) | It used the attack against Dragon Ascent, which can causes a status effect, just like how that Vivillon in XY012 used Safeguard against Dolan's Diggersby's Mud Shot, a move which can also cause a status effect. Also, what status move was Deoxys protecting itself from in AG171? And the crack in the protective barrier doesn't mean its protect. A crack can occur in any kind of barrier. So again, how is this definitely Protect? [[User:Playerking95|Playerking95]] ([[User talk:Playerking95|talk]]) 09:46, 29 October 2016 (UTC) | ||
:Huh? Dragon Ascent doesn't cause any status effect. And wasn't it you who said moves can differ between the main anime and Pokémon Generations? So those arguments you used don't go up here according to your own logic. We don't know how Safeguard works in Generations so we can be pretty sure this is Protect because it shielded Deoxys from Dragon Ascent. And no, Dragon Ascent does not cause any status effects, so there's that too. [[User:Blazingfist|Blazingfist]] ([[User talk:Blazingfist|talk]]) 10:10, 29 October 2016 (UTC) | :Huh? Dragon Ascent doesn't cause any status effect. And wasn't it you who said moves can differ between the main anime and Pokémon Generations? So those arguments you used don't go up here according to your own logic. We don't know how Safeguard works in Generations so we can be pretty sure this is Protect because it shielded Deoxys from Dragon Ascent. And no, Dragon Ascent does not cause any status effects, so there's that too. [[User:Blazingfist|Blazingfist]] ([[User talk:Blazingfist|talk]]) 10:10, 29 October 2016 (UTC) | ||
::Yeah, difference when it comes to looks, but not anything else. You also didn't explain why Deoxys used Safeguard in AG171 and why did Lugia use it against falling rubble in EP222 and why did Lisa's Butterfree use it in M03 against a Vine Whip? What status effect does Vine Whip have? What about Clair's Dragonair using Safeguard against Dragonite's Hyper Beam. What status effect does Hyper Beam have? What status effecting attacks did Latios and Latias use Safeguard against near the end of M05? What about AG045, where Misty's Togepi used Safeguard against Hyper Beam and Solar Beam? What status effect does Psychic have when Ralts uses Safeguard against Psychic in AG109? What about the Wynaut in AG113 that used Safeguard against a Pin Missile attack? Or the Wynaut that used Safeguard in PK17, against what looks to be a Hyper Beam? See, the anime has shown that Safeguard doesn't just protect against Status attacks, so please delete the image unless there is some sort of confirmation, because right not, this is pure speculation. [[User:Playerking95|Playerking95]] ([[User talk:Playerking95|talk]]) 13:32, 29 October 2016 (UTC) | |||
:::Why can Generations moves only be different from the main anime by looks? Pokémon Generations and the main anime are two totally different things, and we simply don't know how Safeguard works in Generations. Fact of the matter is, Deoxys blocked Dragon Ascent with some sort of move. If we look at the game descriptions, Protect is the only one that fits. The main anime has nothing to do with this so please don't bring it up. I'd say the only one speculating here at this moment and time is you, because you're assuming that in Generations, Safeguard could block an attack, when you have nothing credible to back that up apart from comparing it to a totally different anime. [[User:Blazingfist|Blazingfist]] ([[User talk:Blazingfist|talk]]) 13:48, 29 October 2016 (UTC) | |||
::::Not really, you're the only one speculating by assuming that Generations is the only anime that does follow the rules of the games, when basically every other animated medium of the anime has proven that none of them are following every mechanic that the games have created. The move was not named and it can be Safeguard, so therefore, assuming it's definitly Protect is nothing but speculation. [[User:Playerking95|Playerking95]] ([[User talk:Playerking95|talk]]) 14:12, 29 October 2016 (UTC) | |||
:::::I'm not assuming anything, I'm just going by the facts. If anything, Generations is a much more faithful adaption of the games than the main anime. Has there been any move in Generations that has fundementally differed from the games when it concerns effects? No. The main anime has been inconsistent with many things, and it's a different medium altogether. We can't go around by comparing Generations to it. You didn't even respond to the point I brought up by why Generations can only differ from the main anime by looks. This is a point you made earlier and I was fine by that point, but now you're basically contradicting yourself by comparing the main anime and Generations by effects. If they can differ by looks, why not by effects? By the same logic, we should just add that Brendan's Sceptile used Leaf Storm in PG08 right? Because it looked exactly like Leaf Storm in the main anime, and we can compare these two animes according to you. [[User:Blazingfist|Blazingfist]] ([[User talk:Blazingfist|talk]]) 14:19, 29 October 2016 (UTC) | |||
::::::But you are assuming. Nothing suggests that the Pokemon Generation follows the games, when the other anime adaptations don't follow it that faithfully as well. And maybe there has been a move that has differed from how the games use the move, because we know hardly any of the moves that have been used in Pokemon Generations, because the people who have created it seem to be allergic to the characters calling out the names of the Moves. And I didn't respond to that argument because I didn't think it was a good one, simply for two reasons. 1: Unlike the fact that there is no evidence to suggest that Pokemon Generations follows the game mechanics completely, there is evidence that shows that some of the Moves in it are quite different from the main anime series. 2: Moves change animations at the start of every series or so in the main series, so it's not unusual for it to change in the anime spin-offs. And yes, that could be Leaf Storm in PG08, but it might not be, since not all moves have changed appearances, but there are some moves that should unquestionably be considered a specific move, that can't be any other move. For example, Psycho Boost, because it looks similar to how it looked in the main anime and it is Deoxy's signature move and Teleport because no other move fits that moves animation. [[User:Playerking95|Playerking95]] ([[User talk:Playerking95|talk]]) 06:13, 7 November 2016 (UTC) | |||
:::::::Again, I'm not assuming, we simply have a different view on this. You're talking in circles now so either bring new arguments or bring your problem up somewhere else. I've read all you said but it simply does not change my opinion on the matter. I even brought it up with other moderators and those that responded agreed with me. You can bring your problem up with higher-up mods but chances are high they're going to say the same things as I am. [[User:Blazingfist|Blazingfist]] ([[User talk:Blazingfist|talk]]) 10:24, 7 November 2016 (UTC) | |||