User talk:Lewtwo

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Welcome to the Bulbagarden Archives, Lewtwo!

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Thank you, and have a good time uploading here!

^ht 14 16:08, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

Uploading images

Hello. When uploading images, make sure your images are in png format, as that is the standard format used (aside from TCG card scans). I've already re-uploaded your jpg images with png images. Also, make sure to add the appropriate categories into the summary as well. Thank you. - unsigned comment from Force Fire (talk • contribs)

Again, please upload images in png format instead of in jpg format. You can use an online image converter to convert them and upload in the correct format. Thanks. — Ruixiang95 (talk) 04:39, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Image descriptions

Please remember to add a fitting description and template to the images you upload. In the case of the Underground item sprites, use the ones found on "Mine Mind Plate BDSP.png". Thank you. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 14:46, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

As a junior admin, I strongly recommend you follow what other members have said, it isn't too hard to copy, paste and edit--BigDocFan (talk) 15:08, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

Categories placement

When uploading new images, could you place the categories section after the Licensing bit please--BigDocFan, Junior Admin Bulbapedia (talk) 14:00, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Uploading new artwork of Pokemon

Please make sure that base images of Pokemon and their forms that are meant to ultimately find themselves in infoboxes and various templates ("pokedex" images) are the correct dimensions. Namely, they must be perfectly square. I've reverted your updated Greavard image, as it is out of proportion, and you may reupload it when it is resized. Feel free to contact active archive staff if you have questions. ArcToraphim (talk) 00:45, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Move image summary templates

I noticed you were uploading several SV move screenshots. The summary template should be: mv/9|User|Move|sv|type=MoveType|target=Target (obviously with curly brackets on each end) Also, if the user of the move is offscreen, put "None" as the user. Thanks, PinkYoshiGaming (talk) 19:04, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

Image sourcing

Do you upload enhanced pictures or whatever to the Archives? For a couple examples, Blaine here is huge and Oak here looks kinda weird... Tiddlywinks (talk) 14:07, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

What do you mean by "huge" and "weird"?- unsigned comment from Lewtwo (talk • contribs)

Like, it's way bigger than it was. Sorry, I guess it wasn't real clear. What I'm trying to ask is, do you use programs to enlarge images and/or algorithmically pretty them up (like all the fancy new AI stuff, but not necessarily limited to that)? Specifically regarding Blaine and Oak, I'd love if you could explain the overall "how" you got them. Did you scan them fresh, how did you get the source, did you touch up everything by hand or run things through a given program or...just, what all did you do? If there's even raw versions of scans, that'd be great to see as reference. Tiddlywinks (talk) 03:51, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

think they were originally from HiResPokemon, a cleaned up version of a scan of the original art Lewtwo (talk) 23:29, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

Signing

When posting on a talk page, please remember to sign.--BigDocFan, Junior Admin Bulbapedia (talk) 14:50, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

Concept arts

The concept arts you're uploading are great and in great quality. If you want to you could upload them in png and ask admins to delete the jpg versions. Messy scans weigh a lot as pngs so I had to upload them as jpg, but they don't look pretty so they're good to replace.--Team Rocket Grunt (talk) 17:31, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

Why? It would force them to be a lower quality to be uploaded at all as PNGs, and most concept art on the site is in jpg format. I am not compromising quality in order to change the file format for no benefit. Lewtwo (talk) 17:35, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

I thought that its jpg that lowers quality. That's why everything weighs less, but it becomes grainy.--Team Rocket Grunt (talk) 18:18, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

Filetypes don't work that way. A low resolution PNG is still far lower quality than a high resolution JPG. Lewtwo (talk) 18:56, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

You mean the other way around. But that still doesn't seem true [1].--Team Rocket Grunt (talk) 20:48, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

No, that's how it works. A 2000x2000px JPG is going to be of a significantly higher quality than a 1000x1000px PNG of the same image unless there are really weird DPI settings. Lewtwo (talk) 20:53, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

I think it's natural for a bigger image to have better quality so I don't get your logic. Well, nevermind.--Team Rocket Grunt (talk) 21:47, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

Scans are supposed to be jpg, so it's fine. Tiddlywinks (talk) 04:59, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

Reverting Images

Hi there, seems you are reverting lots of images, but some images was reverted due to lower quality? (e.g., File:HeartGold_SoulSilver_Blue.png and many more).

Maybe check with User_talk:Jo_The_Marten or other administrators regarding it before reverting those images, maybe there are some reasons they did that (e.g., browser loading time, or standard image artwork size etc). --GASPER^shut... 05:19, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

The users that cited the image downgrade were from 2010, and said that they were "massive" with no actual explanation. The original images were uploaded from HGSS press kits, so they are the most accurate and the highest quality to use. If someone has an issue, they can revert with a strong reason. I've already mentioned all of my image reversions to the staff, and asked them if they have any issues with them.--Lewtwo (talk) 12:03, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Replacing artwork

It's fine that you want to replace upscaled artwork, but if you are going to do so, replace it with a transparent image. Also, the image you uploaded is not consistent with the quality of other character artworks. Fix those two up, and then you can replace it.--Force Fire (talk) 12:30, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

As you can see, there is no high quality upload of Ryuki's artwork, obviously a higher quality one would have been uploaded if it existed. Something more accurate should always be priority to avoid destruction of the artwork. I have a transparent version of the only accurate piece of artwork, but you locked the file immediately so it can't even be uploaded. It's fine if you believe that inaccurate artwork is better so long as it's transparent and fits nicely within site boxes/tables, but your sole opinion does not dictate the direction of the site in that regard. This topic has been brought up time and time again within the Discord server. Lewtwo (talk) 12:35, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

I've unprotected the image so you can replace it with the transparent version. Image being transparent is a style choice, not a personal choice. All artwork images have been transparent for as long as I've been a user.--Force Fire (talk) 12:38, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

I realize it may be tough to understand that the site and larger community has changed over time, but accuracy should always be a priority over what appears more/less unsightly in a table.Lewtwo (talk) 12:40, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Revisions, altering artwork

I was following the notes left on previous versions: "Future revisions may still be bigger/changed, but please ensure that they have not been edited from official sources." Sorry, but this [2] looks dumb. Charjabug here should be centered (like 99% of other mons), and since I am not allowed to edit the image, the only option left is to use another official version, which is centered better. Is it smaller? Sure. Is that noticeable on the site considering 100% of the time the images don't exceed 150px? No, it's not.

I don't know why we suddenly aren't allowed to use the previous, much higher quality versions that don't have all the uneven dead space, but this ensures that the primary function of the image is at least fulfilled in an aesthetically pleasing way. Same goes for the Avalugg image as well. Why should it be the only one of the 1000+ artwork that has the weird white outline on it? Oneofthosedf (talk) 02:36, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

The version you have posted is edited, by virtue of being on Pokemon.com. It is often blurrier than the Japanese side of uploads. We are no longer using the much "higher quality" versions since the majority of those are edited, and will be updating as many as possible with higher quality, centered press kit versions in the future-- there are tons of Gen 1 Pokemon that are already like this.Lewtwo (talk) 09:29, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

So what is the solution until the possible higher quality versions appear? Why can't we remove the dead space from the Zukan artworks then? Why did this [3] had to be replaced by this [4]? The only edit made to these images is just the cropping of the background, the Pokémon are untouched. I don't really care about the resolution, I am fine with using the Zukan versions, since as I said when the images are used, they always appear as thumbnails. My goal is to keep some consistency and make the templates that use these images look nice. The Charjabug image I posted doesn't look nice. Oneofthosedf (talk) 17:23, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Removing "dead space" down to the pixel cuts off the feathering on the black lines with these examples. It actively damages the artwork, the crop here is far too severe.Lewtwo (talk) 12:12, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

That I agree with, I always make sure to keep the feathering. But I double-checked and the Baxcalibur example I sent you perfectly follows that rule. Only the absolutely unnecessary parts are cropped, and the image is centered well, making sure that the Pokémon is more visible when used in templates (the majority of its use). My question remains: is cropping them (the ones from Zukan) OK if it doesn't touch/hinder the original artwork in any way? I don't see any reason why it wouldn't be. They were replaced by the user saying "At the moment, the artwork for Zukan is being used until Lewtwo re-uploads larger versions once he has time." That's clearly not happening any time soon, so in the meantime nothing stops us from going using cropped versions (like we have for over a decade and like most fan sites do), granted they are cropped perfectly. Once you are ready to re-upload them, you do that, but until then we should keep the appearances of consistent.

Don't take this the wrong way, I've been following you on Twitter, I have no issues with you, I just don't think there was enough open communication about this. Oneofthosedf (talk) 13:58, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

I'm fine with it, but always hesitant to set a precedent of "this can be cropped" because Bulbapedia users have had issues with this in the past. Which tool are you using to crop the artwork?Lewtwo (talk) 10:05, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

I use Paint.NET, magic wand, 0% tolerance, so no issues. Cropping is really just a necessary aesthetic choice. These images are used everywhere, and they are already too small as is and the official site is inconsistent in how much space they leave around the Pokémon, for example the Wooper forms appear way smaller than other mons, cropping fixes the issue and leaves no ambiguity. Oneofthosedf (talk) 15:20, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Wait I'm confused, why would you need to use the magic wand when cropping? Lewtwo (talk) 08:02, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

I don't need to, I guess, but it makes the process simple and I like to work efficiently. With 0% tolerance it lets me see where the artwork begins, that's how I noticed the pixels in the background of your images (which are still very nice, don't take it as knock on them). I select the background, invert the selection, crop the body of the Pokémon, open the canvas resizing window, check the difference between height and width, divide it by two, I know that's the amount of pixels I will need on both sides to center the image perfectly. Takes about 10 seconds. Much easier than doing the selection by hand and messing around with pixel count. Oneofthosedf (talk) 13:35, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

That's a totally fine way to handle it, but those "background pixels" are a part of the artwork, since they were uploaded as such, this is the case with plenty of pieces. I think leaving things as official as possible is for the best, but the crops do not need to be as restrictive as going right up to the edges of the lineart. It sets a poor precedent for future uploaders that will cleave off the feathering.

I guess I don't share the opinion that the background and its imperfections are part of the artwork, if that was the case those imperfections would be present in other iterations of the official art and the background around the body of a given Pokémon would always be the same. We go up to the edges since it's pretty unambiguous. No need to count how many pixels we need to leave on each side, easy to center, makes the body of the Pokémon as visible as possible (which is more appreciated with every new generation and the increasing complexity of designs). As for future uploaders, it's something we can double-check from now on, as I intend to do with the previously uploaded, cropped Zukan versions. Out of curiosity, I replicated the aforementioned Baxcalibur crop, and got the exact same result. I find the pace of our communication a bit too slow for how little we need to talk about, is there a way to continue it on Twitter or Discord? Oneofthosedf (talk) 16:18, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Edit warring

Hi, I'm letting you know here that reverting an image several times like you did with File:HZ eyecatch 12.png is edit warring. No matter your feelings about your rightness or anything, it's not appropriate for users to continually revert an image/page. Differences should be resolved through discussion, generally on a user talk page or on the talk page of the image/page in question, before they can devolve into an edit war. Please take care in the future. This is a blockable offense, but since you haven't been warned before, we'll leave it at that today.

I'm also going to ask that you take to heart the maxim "assume good faith". Your last reversion comment was quite aggressive. "Yelling" and demanding doesn't improve your arguments.

Thanks. Tiddlywinks (talk) 00:45, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Image format again

Png is a preferred format compared to jpg. I suggest converting your jpg images to png before uploading them, thank you. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 14:41, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

PNG is preferred for transparency and thumbnail quality, but for actual image quality, JPG format is far more integral to preserving high quality artwork under the 2MB limit. After this limit has been raised, I will continue to upload HQ JPGs in PNGs, which should hopefully be soon. I will not switch to a completely lossless file format if it requires an immense loss of detail in the first place.--Lewtwo (talk) 14:45, 10 August 2023 (UTC)